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candrodor
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Do you use an IDE to help you?
They are called IDEs, aren't they..? Text editor style thingies with buttons to help you code with ease (at least more than you'd have using notepad)?

I've just started trying to learn some PHP, because having joined here and other communities, I've realised how little I know about, well, anything 'bout computers and everything. From the list on the PHP website, the one I found first who's website was online, was Proton, which is ok, I suppose. I can understand enough of the German to get by. It colours in lots of bits:D, but are these things meant to do any more than that? medstore-online.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject:
Hi Canrodor, we've never met, I'm AbErG, another site mod.

so, IDE's Integrated Development Enviroments, yeah, what you said pretty much hits the nail on the head. It all depends on what you're programming. You said PHP, so, i would suggest Macromedia Dreamweaver 2004 MX. But, that's kind of costly, so I would suggest Texturizer, which is just a Text Editor built specifically for programmers in general.

PM me or Josh for more informantion on Texturizer, we can help you with that.

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candrodor
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:13 pm    Post subject:
Nice to meet you. How d'you do? Thanks for the quick reply.

I've just had a look at the texturizer *winces at the z* website, after a quick detour to the Firefox site . I've had a look, but I really am a scrounger for freeware, partially because if there's something cheaper with not much difference in quality, or at least for the level that I'm at what I'd actually use.
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Josh
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:19 pm    Post subject:
If you want free, MPS PHP Designer is great, there site is down right now, but you can get it here [ http://www.snapfiles.com/get/mpsphp.html ]

I use Dev C++ for C++, but since you want PHP that would be no help to you


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Josh
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:21 pm    Post subject:
Er, that link just redirects to their homepage (down)

http://download.rusc.ru/files/mpsoftware_php.exe works

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posborne
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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:20 pm    Post subject:
Personally I like TSW WebCoder... MPS Designer is pretty good, but (I can't remember what it is) something bugged me about the interface. I might just switch to MPS though because it seems to be in very active development (bugs get fixed, suggestions get implemented). The Site is: http://www.mpsoftware.dk/phpdesigner.php
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:46 am    Post subject:
Their site isn't showing up for me... Firefox shows "Connecting to..." and stays there for like five minutes Nothing ever loads. (MPS PHP Designer)

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candrodor
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:19 am    Post subject:
That website shows up fine for me.

I've downloaded all of them, and I'll try them out, and "report back" what I thin of each of them. ?
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AbErG
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:04 pm    Post subject:
Sounds good to me

I could probably benefit from this endeavor too

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:40 pm    Post subject:
MPS PHP Designer is the absolute best. . .the latest version is http://mpsoftware.dk/php.exe actually. I also like his WebCore and HTMLGate -- HTMLGate if you want to do ASP or JavaScript stuff.

I use Dev-C++ for my C++ stuff. (actually got it open right now!)
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Josh
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject:
anm wrote:
MPS PHP Designer is the absolute best. . .the latest version is http://mpsoftware.dk/php.exe actually. I also like his WebCore and HTMLGate -- HTMLGate if you want to do ASP or JavaScript stuff.

I use Dev-C++ for my C++ stuff. (actually got it open right now!)


Well, I don't know.. I kinda like Dreamweaver.. too bad its shareware Oh well, MPS PHP designer is the best for free anyways

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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:32 pm    Post subject:
I don't know what it is... I've just got too accustomed to the workplace set out for me in WebCoder... Though I am not saying anything against MPS, it's just not my personal preference (haven't tried Dreamweaver though)

Another promising ediotor (though not as feature packed as some) is Scintlla/SciTE Text Editor... it is highly configurable and you can "fold" your code... also a small download... fast load. Unfortunately, it does not have some of the nice "built-in" features that other IDE's have (in fact, it is not really an IDE), but it's worth checking out.

Addition: Ok, One thing I've found (been able to narrow down) that I do not like about MPS is that there is a different PHP and PHP/HTML/CSS syntax coloring settings... you can't fully configure the PHP/HTML/CSS syntax colorings.
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:16 pm    Post subject:
Well, Dev-PHP is good, too.
Josh, why do you allow HTML, even to guests?!?!?!?!!
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Josh
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject:
Because its only select HTML tags,

i.e.



Wont work You can only use tags like b, i, pre, etc

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anm
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject:
Dev-PHP is good, but the interface is really annoying

PHP Designer has XHTML/PHP/CSS syntax highlighting that you can have highlighted at the same time (if you have them all in one file, like I often do). Plus, you can get the PHP manual directly inside the layout, and if you have php.exe it can do syntax checking for you!

I liked TSW WebCoder as well, but I HATE the syntax highlighting! Plus, you can edit the syntax highlighting in PHP Designer, I just think it's really complicated!

JotPad Web Editor will be coming out soon (the site, while not functional because it's only just being designed, is http://nilok.info) and it promises to be really good. SQL, PHP, XHTML, and CSS highlighting (and you can choose what colors you want or go with the default) plus an SQL syntax checker and PHP syntax checker, and an inbuilt FTP program. Can't wait 'til it arrives. . .but PHP Designer is also really cool. (Oh, and I know (online) the designer of JotPad so that's nice too )
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